Stock or Broth? A non answer.

Despite the apparent authority and level of agreement between the two people I quoted, there really is no agreement at all. I simply chose two authoritative sounding answers that seemed to agree. There are many other opinions:
  • Some believe the only difference is whether you add salt.
  • Some believe the one is simply a reduction of the other.
  • Some believe that they are the same, but one word is used by professionals and the other is used by amateur cooks at home.
  • Some believe that one is a finished product and one is an ingredient for another recipe.
Call it what you want. What I make does not follow any of the recipes I have seen for stock or broth.

Stock or Broth? Another Answer.

The basic differences between a broth and a stock lies in its “properties.” For example, a chicken broth will react differently when deglazing a sauté pan than a chicken stock. The reason for this is that the chicken stock will contain more gelée than chicken broth and will bind up the pan drippings into a pan sauce as the stock is reduced, replacing the alternative of cream or butter to aid in this process. The type of chicken parts used in the pot and the amount of extraction of gelée depends on the length of reduction. These are the key factors to consider in determining whether you are making chicken stock or chicken broth. Let us take a moment and review these key factors in chicken broth and chicken stock.

Chicken broth is usually made with chicken meat and chicken parts, with a high flesh to bone ratio. Whole chicken or assorted parts can be used. Fryers and roasters, both readily available at your local supermarket, do not produce satisfactory results. Stewing hens produce the best broth and are often available in the poultry section in your market. If you cannot find them do not hesitate to ring for assistance — the poultry manager will usually order them for you. For the more adventuresome, you may be able to locate someone who has a small flock of laying hens that are past their prime for egg production. Purchase one or two of them to slaughter and dress yourself. The reduction time for chicken broth at sea level is about 3 hours.

Chicken stock is made mostly of chicken parts that have a very low flesh to bone ratio. Backs, necks and breast bones produce the best stock. These boney parts are also readily available at your local supermarket, either in the case or by special order. It is also advantageous to buy whole chickens and cut them up yourself for other recipes. You can then freeze backbones, wing tips, and other parts not used in your original recipe until you are ready to make your stock. To achieve the maximum extraction of gelée from the chicken bones the reduction time at sea level is 6 hours. Water, vegetables, herbs, and salt are ingredients that are common to both stock and broth. [Dove]


Dove, CeCe. &ldquo;<a href="http://www.parshift.com/ovens/Secrets/secrets025.htm" title="Family Secrets #25: Chicken Stock and Chicken Broth">Family Secrets #25: Chicken Stock and Chicken Broth</a>&rdquo; <em><a href="http://www.parshift.com/ovens/home.htm" title="La Lama Mountain Ovens Home: Italian recipes and bakery goods">La Lama Mountain Ovens</a></em>. 1 May 2002. <a href="http://www.parshift.com/ovens/Secrets/secrets025.htm" title="Family Secrets #25: Chicken Stock and Chicken Broth">&lt;http://www.parshift.com/ovens/Secrets/secrets025.htm&gt;</a> (23 December 2003).

About Beer…

<a href="http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/kgk/2003/1003/kgk100303.html" title="Kate's Global Kitchen">May I See the Beer List, Please?</a>: &ldquo;Before Prohibition,&rdquo; [Garrett Oliver, brewmaster of the Brooklyn Brewery,] explains, &ldquo;we had a vibrant brewing culture and thousands of breweries. Brooklyn alone had 48 breweries. But Prohibition destroyed the brewing industry, and after 12 years with no beer, the surviving breweries figured that people would be willing to drink almost anything. So they made the cheapest, blandest possible product, sold with huge amounts of advertising. Traditional beers are made from four essential ingredients: malted barley, yeast, hops and water. Some types of beers use both barley and wheat. In contrast, mass-market beers are usually made with fillers like corn or rice. It makes a big difference &mdash; it&rsquo;s one of the reasons that these mass-market beers are so flavorless.&rdquo; Fortunately, nearly 2,000 breweries in the U.S. today have brought real beer back to the public, and Oliver is out to educate people on how they&rsquo;re made, what to look for, and what to serve with them.

Stock or Broth?

By the way, if you’ve ever wondered what the difference is between a “stock” and a “broth,” relax: they’re essentially the same thing. Or at least the differences between the two definitions are minor. I have plowed through a library of cooks’ references, including Larousse Gastronomic, The New Food Lover’s Companion, Barbara Kafka’s Soup: A Way of Life, and The New Professional Chef by the Culinary Institute of America. In virtually every case, both “stock” and “broth” are defined as a liquid made from bones and meat, sometimes with vegetables, herbs and seasonings. Most definitions go further to yield circuitous references to “soup” and “bouillon,” which, in the interests of limited clarity, I’ll conveniently skip in this column.

The latest edition (1997) of the esteemed Joy of Cooking adds its own unique imprint to the murky world of stocks and broths: “Unlike stocks, which are made primarily from bones, broths are made from meat (except for vegetable broth), and they cook for shorter periods of time. The resulting liquid has a fresher, more definable flavor but less body than a stock.” Immediately following this passage is a recipe for chicken broth, which calls for simmering in water a whole chicken, presumably with bones and carcass intact.

The late Steve Holzinger, who trained many a professional chef, offered the following advice in a column printed here several years back: “A stock is a water extract of food. A broth is a stock made with meat or poultry as distinguished from one made from the bones of meat and poultry. A consommé is a finished broth, one that has great flavor due to the use of considerable amounts of meat or poultry. If properly cooked and skimmed, it will be as clear as a consommé clarified with egg whites.” Clear as mud, once again.

Actually, what all of these references seem to intend but leave a bit cloudy is that the main distinction of a stock is indeed the richness derived from the gelatin (essentially concentrated protein) released by the bones and cartilage, and to a lesser extent by tendons, skin, and other tissue. Gelatin-rich bones may or may not be dropped into a broth-pot, but even if they are included as an ingredient, it’s always to much less degree than in a stock. Shorter cooking time for a broth also yields less gelatin than a long-simmered stock; hence the resulting broth has almost no gelatin and is thinner.

When a true stock is chilled, it congeals because of the gelatin. A refrigerated broth remains liquid and flowable. But that’s not to say a broth is totally gelatin-free, as even in a short cooking period the simmered meat protein itself will still leach some gelatin; a broth just contains less gelatin than does a stock. Clear, eh? [Heyhoe]


Heyhoe, Kate. &ldquo;<a href="http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/kgk/2003/0103/kgk011003.html" title="Kate's Global Kitchen">The Essential Chicken Stock</a>&rdquo; <em><a href="http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/kgk/" title="Kate's Global Kitchen">Kate's Global Kitchen</a></em>. 10 January 2003. <a href="http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/kgk/2003/0103/kgk011003.html" title="Kate's Global Kitchen">&lt;http://www.globalgourmet.com/food/kgk/2003/0103/kgk011003.html&gt;</a> (23 December 2003).

Food Log

Breakfast was a bowl of cereal. I weighed in at 158 pounds. Lunch was a bean and cheese quesadilla with bread and butter pickles and a Blue Moon Belgian White Belgian-Style Wheat Ale.



<ins datetime="2003-12-24T09:04:00-05:00">Dinner was the last of the gratin and a Blue Moon Belgian White Belgian-Style Wheat Ale with more cookies for dessert.</ins>

Making Cheese Is Her Calling

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/21/nyregion/21CONN.html?ei=5007&amp;en=b7090c05be6532e4&amp;ex=1387515600&amp;partner=USERLAND&amp;pagewanted=all&amp;position=" title="Connecticut: Making Cheese Is Her Calling; Make That Her Second Calling">Connecticut: Making Cheese Is Her Calling; Make That Her Second Calling</a>: &ldquo;When Mother Noella Marcellino first focused a microscope more than a decade ago on cheese she had made by hand at the Benedictine abbey in Bethlehem, she had no idea she would become the celebrated champion of France&rsquo;s famous raw-milk cheeses, the centuries-old ways they are made, and the tiny microorganisms that help flavor them.



&ldquo;Along the way, this 52-year-old former college dropout also has won a prestigious Fulbright scholarship, earned a University of Connecticut doctorate in microbiology, and achieved near rock-star status among cheesemakers and cheese-lovers, both here and abroad.



&ldquo;Last week, Mother Noella was honored by the French food industry with its first French Food Spirit Award in the category of science advancement for promoting an understanding of its cheeses and helping to preserve the traditional ways of making them.



&ldquo;Next year, wearing her black nun&rsquo;s habit and irresistible smile, Mother Noella will star in a national PBS documentary film, called &lsquo;The Cheese Nun: Sister Noella's Voyage of Discovery.&rsquo;&rdquo;

Food Log

I had a glass of orange juice for breakfast. Weighed in at 158 pounds. We went gift shopping today and stopped at the <a href="https://hbf.honeybaked.com/ohio_secure/" title="the Honeybaked Ham Company">Honeybaked Ham Company</a> and had Classic Ham sandwiches. <img src="http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/m/h/mhl100/images/smile.png" height="18" width="18" alt=":-)" /> Dinner was left-over butternut squash and vegetable gratin and a Blue Moon Belgian White Belgian-Style Wheat Ale.

Protein Diet Craze, Thin Supply of Cattle Fatten Ranchers’ Wallets

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20056-2003Dec21.html" title="Protein Diet Craze, Thin Supply of Cattle Fatten Ranchers' Wallets (washingtonpost.com)">Protein Diet Craze, Thin Supply of Cattle Fatten Ranchers&rsquo; Wallets (washingtonpost.com)</a>: &ldquo;Dietary fashion, having long punished ranchers for their supposed role in making Americans fat, is handsomely rewarding them for their supposed role in making Americans skinny. Here on the mountain-ringed rangeland of southwest Montana, in the heart of the state&rsquo;s No. 1 beef-producing county, obesity is not an entirely discouraging word. 



&ldquo;&lsquo;That Atkins diet has really helped demand for beef,&rsquo; said Bill Garrison, 62, who, along with his two sons, raises cattle on 18,000 acres north of Dillon. He is also the immediate past president of the Montana Stockgrowers Association. &lsquo;Prices are higher now than I thought I would ever see.&rsquo; 



&ldquo;Compared with last fall, Garrison and other ranchers around Dillon received about $100 more for each calf they sold in November for delivery to feedlots in Nebraska and Kansas. That spells a $40,000 spike in income for the average local rancher, who sells about 400 calves in the fall. It also means that Dillon, a beef-dependent town of 3,752, is suddenly swimming in cash&hellip;



&ldquo;The nation&rsquo;s taste for beef fell off the table in 1977, when a Senate select committee issued dietary recommendations that instructed Americans to eat more chicken and less red meat. 



&ldquo;Almost immediately, to the horror of the $93 billion cattle industry, consumers did as they were told. The year before the recommendation, per capita beef consumption was at an all-time high of nearly 89 pounds a year. Within three years, it slumped to 73 pounds a year. It finally bottomed out in 1993, at 61.2 pounds a year, which represented a 31 percent decline in beef consumption. 



&ldquo;It appears unlikely that Americans will ever again eat as much beef as they did in the 1970s. Although per capita consumption has increased since the mid-1990s, it was just 64.4 pounds last year.&rdquo;

Food Log

Again, no real breakfast or lunch. I weighed in at 158 pounds. I did sample the cookies throughout the day, and had a Blue Moon Belgian White Belgian-Style Wheat Ale at mid day. Dinner was the butternut squash and vegetable gratin and two glasses of <a href="http://www.bolla.com/view_wine.asp?nWID=8" title="Bolla Wines of Italy - Open Up">Bolla Cabernet Sauvignon</a>.

Holiday cooking help is available on phone hot lines and online

<strong>Associated Press</strong> 
<br />
<strong>December 17, 2003</strong> 



Toll-free telephone services and Web sites offer a variety of specialist answers to cooking and food-safety questions during holiday preparation times. Here are some of them: 
  • U.S. Department of Agriculture Meat and Poultry Hotline: (888) 674-6854. Food safety specialists answer calls about meat and poultry preparation and cooking questions, year-round, Monday to Friday, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. EST. Recorded information is available 24 hours a day at the same number. Also available in Spanish.
  • Butterball Turkey Talk-Line: (800) 288-8372. Home economists and nutritionists answer holiday cooks’ questions, in both English and Spanish, for callers in the United States and Canada. Callers can request a free pamphlet with safety and cooking tips and recipes.

    • Through Dec. 23, weekdays, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. CST.
    • Dec. 24 to Dec. 25, Christmas Eve-Christmas Day, 6 a.m. to 3 p.m.
    • Dec. 26, day after Christmas, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m.
  • Foster Farms Turkey Helpline: (800) 255-7227. Turkey-cooking helpline is available 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. PST, Monday through Friday.
  • Perdue consumer help line: (800) 473-7383. Consumer-relations representatives answer cooking, storage and other questions about poultry products weekdays year-round (except Christmas Day) 9:30 a.m. to 6 p.m. EST. Free booklet offer with tips on safe handling of poultry.
  • Shadybrook Farms Turkey Line: (888) 723-4468. An automated service offering information on buying and cooking turkeys.
  • Empire Kosher poultry customer hotline: (800) 367-4734, or (717) 436-5921. Help is offered by consumer-affairs representatives year-round Monday through Thursday, 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. EST; Friday, 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. EST. Program offers recipes, newsletter, tips on defrosting and cooking poultry. Closed on Jewish and secular holidays.
  • Ocean Spray consumer help line (800) 662-3263. Year-round, weekdays (not Christmas Day, New Year’s Day and other major holidays) 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. EST. Consumer department staff field questions on cranberries, offer recipes, cooking tips, nutritional information, menu-planning worksheets, product information.
  • Reynolds Turkey Tips Line (800) 745-4000. A year-round 24-hour automated hot line; through Dec. 31 offers advice on turkey defrosting, preparation and cooking options, free brochure and recipes.

On the Net:

  • Cook’s Illustrated magazine’s site features detailed guidance and recipes, for preparing turkey and all the trimmings, including apple and pumpkin pies, with bright step-by-step visuals.
  • The National Turkey Federation Web site has holiday recipes and cooking tips, among its year-round general information.
  • The McCormick Web site includes a holiday entertaining guide.
  • Star Chefs offers Christmas and holiday recipes, with tips from professional chefs and cookbook writers.
  • southernfood.about.com offers Christmas and holiday recipes and turkey information and hints.
  • Land O’Lakes baking assistance, cooking tips and free recipe brochure.